Oct 302013


Okay, this may be small of me, but I have to do this, I have to. So let’s just get it out of the way right now.

I told you so.

There. I feel better. And now with that said, we can get on with the celebration of our victory, because it is a victory, total and complete, and better, it is one that should be a win for everyone, players and developers alike.

Yesterday afternoon, Turbine developer Vargouille announced the final Reincarnation design and it is everything everyone ever wanted it to be:

  • Tokens of the Twelve will be able to buy Heroic Hearts, and they removed the “for now” label that previously accompanied that statement
  • Commendations of Valor will still buy Epic and Iconic Hearts, but they will drop from end reward lists on all epic quests
  • Higher-level epic quests and higher difficulties will reward more Valors, but they expect us to run about 28 Epic Hard quests to earn one heart*
  • Valors will be Bind-To-Character but the hearts themselves will be Bind-To-Account
  • Sagas won’t even drop Valors any more, the Saga system will be completely separate from the Reincarnation system

I think that is everything anyone ever asked. All of the demands laid out during the Great Wayfinder Bridge Occupation have been met.


I haven’t read the rest of Vargouille’s thread to see how people responded, but I already know this will not make everyone happy. We are a picky bunch, we DDO Gamers, and I do not believe there is anything that Turbine could do to make everyone happy. Free money? Free sex? No, someone will be unhappy no matter what, universal satisfaction is an unattainable goal.

But this is pretty damn close.

Did we really need to stand on the bridge on Wayfinder? Would any of this have happened if we didn’t flood the forums and get the MMO press involved? Who knows, the fact is that we did do those things and conjecture about any other path will always and only be that: conjecture.

Also, it was fun. A rather silly way to stand up to Da Man, nothing that should be compared to any kind of real-life protest action, we put only our avatar pixels on the line. Nonetheless, it was fun, and I am glad I participated.

And to all of you who dropped negative vibes on the rebellion recap post or the power to the people post, and those of you who spent two entire forum pages explaining that I do not really know the meaning of the word “victory”, yes, all of you:

I told you so.

I’ve spent my whole life trying to avoid being that guy who says “I told you so”, but really, it was not so bad after all.

I could get used to this.

๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ™‚

* as pointed out by @illarven, I misread this and the number of required quests is much higher than 28


  7 Responses to “New Reincarnation Design Is a Win For Everyone”

Comments (7)
  1. ๐Ÿ™‚ Very nice. ty for this post.

  2. I can only speak for myself when I say I am totally and completly happy with this! No complaints whatsoever. The old hearts can be earned the old fashoned way and the new hearts can be earned the new way. Thanks for the info Geoff ๐Ÿ™‚

  3. “Higher-level epic quests and higher difficulties will reward more Valors, but they expect us to run about 28 Epic Hard quests to earn one heart”
    Confirm this please, because from what I’ve read its 4200 comms per Epic or Iconic heart and the droprate is around 30 for lvl26 EH quest. That is still over 140 quest completions, not to mention the ransack timer.

  4. To be fair Geoff the only reason they changed it again was due to continued feedback so technically we had to go to war again to get this…IOW your still wrong ๐Ÿ˜› until this point we didn’t “win”

    Also maybe you should edit the post instead of adding an * I didn’t see the clarification until after I read the comment I was already o inform you its more like 100 quests there reasoning is that you should be able to obtain one by leveling from lvl 20-28.

    My main issue with 4200 CoV is it wont fit in large bags (max 2500 iirc) I wish they would take off a zero…we need 420 CoV and only get 4-5 CoV instead of 40-50 (or w/e)

    Anyways yeah beyond that I’m super ok with this heroic TR is where it belongs allowing people to TR at 20 and ER/ITR can be obtained from any Epic quest.

  5. Just to make sure the intent is clearly stated: The design intention is that if you mostly take the Commendations of Valor as your end reward while running Epic Hard, you’ll earn your Epic Heart of Wood for free by the time you reach level cap. If you run on Epic Elite, you’ll earn it earlier than cap. Epic Normal, you’ll have to do a bit of work once you hit cap.

  6. I have to acknowledge that I like this change as well and I think it will fit my play style much more than what was previously proposed. I think it is a good idea to keep these as separate systems. Although it does make me wonder if we will be able to get fragments from the Epic Gianthold quests, I’m thinking that we probably won’t. But in either case, that is relatively minor, concerning those are mid-level epic quests anyway. Needless to say, I can now smile and know that I will enjoy the reincarnation system when Update 20 is released.

What do you think?

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